I do not think that anyone would argue that America is in a very dire strait.(politically,economically,socially,and morally)I would like to ask anyone who wants to,to post about their solution to our recent Economic woes.
The Gryphon Solution 1.a
The first thing we need to do is to lower taxes,perhaps abolish income tax altogether.As we lower taxes we would also cut broken government bureaucracy(i.e:Medicare,USFDA,Welfare etc....).The second thing that would be needed is the allowance of the use of the Alaskan oil pockets,which would drive oil prices lower,but as the Alaskan oil is being used to lower prices incentives could be utilized to promote the construction and diversification of renewable energy.Tariffs would be employed on all foreign product coming into the country,but tax breaks would be given to those that trade at a profit in foreign markets.Companies that increase domestic employment would be given further incentive.Any company that has more than 50% of it's properties in other nations would have a 50% increase in tariff cost increasing as the percentage increases.(The same applies to the employee rate.)
This is my opinion,please feel free to disagree or point out flaws in my reason.(note that this is a 1.a,I am open to revisions if someone has better ideas)
well i agree with most of your Ideas what do you think would haft to happen to make that even posable ?
ReplyDeletethe one thing I disagreed with is abolishing income tax well I don't really like any tax that's one I can live with at lest until some of the other ones are taken care of land tax and school tax for instants if the government can fores you to pay for land you "have" and evict you if you don't, then you don't oun it your just renting it and its a privilege not a right to live there. Privileges can be taken away at any time ask the hunting instructors
that leeds to emenent doman and the state desiding you "need" this or that( municipal water for instens ) on "your" land and deciding you need to pay for it nice huh.
So this is a little off topic but who do you what to be president ?
not much activity on her latly you guys all dead or somthing ?
ReplyDeleteI am alive. I will try to post more.
ReplyDeletesorry Rennuke I was out at Church:)
ReplyDeleteI agree that the ability to tax is the ability to control,but income tax was just the first thing that came to mind.
I would very much like Rick Santorum(ex-senator for Pennsylvania)to run and win.He is very conservative.He opposes abortion,homosexuality,big government.(sorta like a modern Reagen.)Mr Santorum also tried to have an amendment passed that would have made state run orphanages teach intelligent design next to evolution.
I am pretty sure that Rick Santorum is the best choice of 2012,but then again I do not know what the other politically savvy members of the blog know so I could be missing someone.
I think with other a return to a morally foundation America will find it hard to have midterm economic prosperity and impossible to have it on a long (enough) term. I do not think that government can fix all our problems. I do however think that government should reflex a moral/Biblical foundation and as it draws closer to one the nation is likely to prosper. I am going to advance some changes in ways of governance but without repentance of the American or at least enough of them for God to spare the nation we are in trouble.
ReplyDeleteProposed: That on the federal level the government should stop providing welfare, charitable, education and most other services to people; That the federal government diminish taxes (and revenue) as and after reducing services; That the federal government should do so in away so as to avoid increasing the national debt in the process and so as to make considerable progress on paying down the national debt[i]; That the federal government considerably reduce its regulation of activity and take a narrower interpretation of the commerce clause; That the federal government should return to the states federal land and parks except that for needful buildings and bases[ii]; That the federal government should allow states to punish heinous crime like abortion and others (lest we come under more sever wrath of God); That it change it trade and foreign policy in the direction of promoting exports and a nation position of strength[iii]; and increase the effectiveness of the federal justice system by having speedy trails, swift justice, and moving toward a restitution based system were restitution is possible.[iv]
Proposed: That on the more local level murder, adultery and other offences should be speedily and severely punished, that taxes should be reduced, that government services should likewise be reduced[v], That property tax except possibly where it concerns providing service that at based the existence or protection of an asset should be abolished[vi], That regulation should be limited, and That the justice system have the same reforms as mention for the federal one.
I am sure that are other things that should be (or rather more likely should not be done) and am open to friendly criticism and ideas.
Some concrete example of thing the federal government should do/cut, eliminate Pell grants … (I will to finish if I do at all another time I have lots more ideas)
[i] I do think at an income tax is one of the better methods if not the best of direct federal revenue.[ii] Note I think it reasonable that the federal government receive some compensation for land which it acquired prior to the state(s) containing the land being formed[iii] This could likely come to mean some form or tariffs in the long run. I need to study the issue more.[iv] For offences like murder the rule would be an eye for an eye a life for a life.[v] Some local and state government will need to reduce more than others also it is possible that in some areas of legitimate government function a more local government should take up some activities that were being performed by a less local government [vi] For example if one owned land and were having the government provide fire protection (if that is a valid role of government) then it would be reasonable to have property tax for that purpose.
Ok OK, I get lost on this thing! I just posted on a month old poist!! All well...
ReplyDeleteStrawHat: Hi. I had to skim your thing (because it was sooo long),but keep up the good work, its grate to see you boys go back and forth with such deep thought.
@061ba395175a4beb766460f416ddad3b:disqus :I wholly agree with you on the point that no real prosperity can be found until the moral fiber of America is restored to one of Christian majority.
ReplyDeleteI agree with quite a bit of your proposal.The main thing that really struck me on what you had(and I did not)was the narrowing of the commerce clause.It did not strike me until I read it a few times and thought about it,but you make a valid point that I would like to expand upon. (If you do not mind me expounding on a part of YOUR proposal.)
The increased powers of the legislative branch in the economy has caused an alarming increase in the agencies that regulate the economy.With that in mind without a narrower interpretation of the Constitutional Commerce Clause it would be very difficult to achieve any lasting reform of the economic conditions.Basically if you remove the result without removing the main stimulus,you would have just a repeating cycle.(I am sorry Straw Hat if I have taken that point out of context.)Also I have been very interested in things like the Tariffs,and other economic tools.In fact I have recently been studying the economic initiative used by Frederick The Great on Prussia,and I think that with some work it would work for the U.S. Basically the plan of Prussian was to create everything their country needed and export the rest,but only to use the exports in ways that benefited the Prussian people. Obviously the methods of the Prussians and us would diverge greatly,but the sentiment should not.Strengthen our home,then we strengthen others.
There are just two things in which I am a little confused about:(1)I am wondering,would it not be setting a potentially self-destructive precedent to allow for the states to punish their own criminals.I may be wrong,but I was always under the impression that the Federal government was solely responsible for criminal justice.
(2)I am curious of why you would prefer income tax;for me personally it has always seemed like a very blatant trap.The more you earn the more the government takes away,and It seems like punishment to those that work hard,and get a good amount of money just to be taxed more for their labors.(I do not know maybe I am wrong:)
anyway,I like the proposal,and it would undoubtedly improve our state.
@Rennuke:disqus :I am sorry that I did not answer your original question on what I think it would take to get something like this to be applied.In truth I believe it would take something extremely drastic,like the assassination of a popular Republican president,a foreign communist power launches an attack on us,or maybe the Americans have a revival and begin to start thinking for themselves again.
@8108ebcfc64c5b47bdfb4ff7b84dff8b:disqus :So happy that you came to post:)
I am expecting a fifteen page proposal on the solution to our economic woes two days from right....now.(just kidding:)
as for deep thought,I know I am NOT capable of such:)
@8108ebcfc64c5b47bdfb4ff7b84dff8b:disqus Thanks for your comment.
ReplyDelete@The_Gryphon:disqus I do not mind others expounding on or discussing proposals.
To clarify I do not support graduated income taxes only flat ones. I think a flat income tax it is a better tax morally then property tax and inheritance tax. It and per capita taxes also seems to have a closer correspondence to the why was revenue was raised in the Old Testament than sales tax. From a pragmatic viewpoint it would be also be easier to move to a flat income tax then a national sales tax (without also having a national income tax).
Also on taxes I think that it would be wise for the Federal Government to raise income from indirect taxes. I think that having at least part of the federal taxes portioned among the states would be a great idea. (Note to self consider writing/commenting an essay on this idea)
On tariffs I will be glad to study them more this summer. I tend to think that they are a valuable part of a nation's foreign policy. I also think that with our trade deficit that in the short across the board tariffs would harm the economy.
Criminal justice I believe was historically left mostly to the states. (Note it was not left to the states when the crimes were committed in US outside states) The Constitution did provide for use of the federal courts in certain cases. It is clear from the constitution that there were federal crimes.
On commerce clause I think the expanded use(misuse ) if it starting mostly around FDR was has enabled congress to regulate/legislate on almost anything. I do believe the actions justified under it from The Healthcare law to limiting the amount of grain a framer can grow even when consumed on his own farm were it is grown are much of the economic problem of the day.
Gryphen: In all my spar time I will definitely try to post something of substance.( but that time might not come this summer.)
ReplyDeleteSorry to change the subject (its sortu the same), but I thought it would be cool to hear all your thoughts on the barter system. I did a little bit of searching and it seems to be coming back in. What are your thoughts? Is it possible for such a system to work again in our day and age were people are sooo used to using checks, credent cards, loans ect? Not even having the money in there hands, let alone an item to barter.
Just a thought, you boys can take it or leave it.
I agree with you guess on the tariffs but unfortunately they are constitutionally illegal thanks to one line that says something about treaties being over the constitution so the UN got us to sine a treaty with them (I think) the "free" trade agreement sad hu
ReplyDelete@8108ebcfc64c5b47bdfb4ff7b84dff8b:disqus I think the barter system is passable but only as an abstraction or on the locale level OR with an agreed medium of exchange :) otherwise known as currency :)
@Rennuke:disqus :Bah,I despise the UN.(trash it)
ReplyDelete@8108ebcfc64c5b47bdfb4ff7b84dff8b:disqus :What Rennuke said
@061ba395175a4beb766460f416ddad3b :okay a flat income tax makes a lot more sense.
ReplyDeleteTOLTALY Agree with you about the UN and well we are on taxes why not have a flat head tax that . that way you can can a lot of the tax breacresy the nashenal buget how many people do we have and how much do we have to spend of cores if you do something like that you'd haft to get rid of corporations as such
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